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Minutes of the 3rd Quarterly meeting held at the Lochardil House Hotel, Inverness on 12th September 2001

Minutes of the 3rd Quarterly meeting held at the Lochardil House Hotel, Inverness on 12th September  2001.

 

1.         MEMBERS PRESENT

 

            Murdo Cameron                         Alistair McBean

            Derrick Cronie                           John MacDonald

            John Darcy (Vice Chair)              Reay MacKay

            Alan Drummond                         Neil MacKinnon

            John Finnie (Secretary)               David Ross (Assistant Secretary)

            Murdo Fraser                             James Simpson (Chair)

            Alan Heath                                 Nigel Stafford

            John Jones-Davies                      Mairi Steel

 

2.         APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE

 

As a result of duty commitments, apologies were received from Murdo Fraser, Graeme Ednie, High Court, and George MacDonald - Annual Leave.

 

3.         OPENING OF MEETING

 

The Chairman opened the meeting by welcoming everyone present and inviting then to play an active part in discussions.  He also paid tribute to the Vice Chairman, John Darcy who chaired the last meeting of the Board in his absence at relatively short notice.

 

4.         ADOPTION OF STANDING ORDERS

 

            Proposed by Derrick Cronie and seconded by David Ross.

 

5.         APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF LAST MEETING

 

           


6.         MATTERS ARISING

 

            6.1       LEGAL ADVICE / ASSISTANCE

 

            1.         Ongoing Legal Cases

 

There are presently 18 cases, involving 19 officers, on-going with one settlement since the last meeting.

 

            2.         Discipline / Misconduct

 

                        Complaints Against the Police in Scotland

 

The Assistant Secretary reported that there had been lengthy and detailed discussion at the recent Joint Central Committee (JCC) meeting regarding the consultation paper 'Complaints against the Police in Scotland'.  The Deputy General Secretary had prepared a draft response which the meeting considered along with one prepared by the Associated of Police Officers in Scotland (ACPOS).

 

As the ACPOS response was considered poorly written and lacking the necessary clarity and detail, the JCC were not prepared to put agree to its submission as a "joint response".

 

The Deputy General Secretary's draft was reviewed, subjected to minor amendment and will be further circulated.

 

The Board discussed the issue and Derrick Cronie reported a discussion paper is available now.  The Assistant Secretary stated that he feels the Board are being steered by the ombudsman.  Asked questions in role remit.  Until such time as we receive a response, cannot say in favour of going down this line.

 

John Darcy stated that there has been an increase in misconduct cases, and that the enquiry is ongoing, and would ask all representatives to be aware of this.

 

The Secretary informed the Board that the members are fortunate of having John Darcy as Vice Chairman and officer in charge.  John Darcy stated a number of points.  He is concerned that an Ombudsman would interfere with the Deputy Chief Constable.  John Darcy has a meeting with the Temporary Chief Constable on Monday and would expect nothing but absolute adherence to procedure with regard to the suspension of officers.

 

Alan Heath reported that he was recently interrogated by officers from an outside force for 2 ½ hours.  He was told that no statement would be taken and not to worry.  He also stated that other names he had mentioned during the interview had been approached and told they were carrying out an enquiry although never told what the enquiry was.  Alan stated that the officer interviewing said that it is common purpose and they better get used to it.

 

John Darcy stated that they do not have to tell staff what the interview is for.

 

The Secretary mentioned that at a meeting on Monday, only 3 types of enquiries.  Should be not dubiety of nature of interview and wants it to be clear to people being investigated what nature of investigation is.  This is to be looked at.

 

Impartiality of Police Appeals Tribunal

 

The Board's motion on challenging the impartiality of the police appeals tribunal, unanimously endorsed by annual conference, has been examined by the Federation solicitors who have been advised that any challenge would require to be made in respect of an ongoing case.  The Joint Central Committee Meeting also discussed the motion and it was agreed by all present that when an appropriate case presents itself a challenge will be mounted.

 

The Secretary reported that he has prepared a fairly lengthy response to the Police Appeals Tribunal, which was prepared by Neil Ramsay.

 

As soon as suitable case made available can't proceed until then.

 

DR - Did express concern reluctance from some Boards to proceed with tribunal as a lot of work involved in proceeding.  Is it ever going to get to a stage when it is challenged.

 

RM- Now at a stage where a log of cases will be thrown out.

           

6.2       POLICE PROPERTIES / HOUSING

 

The Board again discussed the issue of safety and security of the occupiers of rural police stations in light of the recent incident at Caol Police Station and expressed concern that a year and half after raising this issue through the Force meeting structure there appears to have been little or no progress in a number of areas.

 

JF expressed feeling of disappointment with Angus MacLeod and will meet with him very shortly to push this matter forward.

 

6.3       CRIMINAL INJURIES COMPENSATION

 

There are presently 12 claims being progressed two of which are the subject of legal Assistance.  There have been one satisfactory settlement since the last meeting.

 

If in any doubt please contact Federation office, if they come into office uncompleted they will not be passed on.  JF reported that a lot of forms received are incomplete.

 

            6.4       POLICE PAY AND CONDITIONS

 

The Police pay award for 2001 has been ratified by the Scottish Executive at 3.5% effective as of 1 September 2001 as per Scottish Executive - Police Circular 8 of 2001.

The Assistant Secretary advised the meeting that there had been no further meetings of the PNB Working Party on Pay however indications were that any progress was likely to be delayed until any financial impact arising out of proposals from the Governments plans for this reform were yet to be tabled and there is no indication how or indeed if it will impact on the Scottish Police service.

JF put forward a proposal to move to 4 weekly or monthly pay.  Best value review of financial services report conducted by John Gourlay.

Would ask for everyone to return response, If people do not respond will be taken in favour of monthly pay.  People cannot manage on daily basis / fortnightly what will happen if they go onto monthly pay.

John Darcy stated that support staff would also find the transfer onto monthly pay a hardship.

Alan Drummond stated that if members are not in favour of monthly pay, should make this democratic.

JD - will we be given JBB response, JF replied yes.

JF - interesting JD advised the loss of interest to paying authority.

JJD - Any advices if this goes ahead?  JS feels that the Board were jumping ahead of themselves, as decision is not final.

Travel to Scottish Police College

The Assistant Secretary reported that following a statement by the Deputy Commandment of the Scottish Police College that 'the college was only residential from Monday to Friday'. The Force have endorsed a proposal that all staff including probationers attending their first stage training are entitled to claim return travel at weekends for the duration of their course.

The Secretary feels that rest days should be spent at home and not 200 miles away from home.

Alan Drummond - accept that the vast majority of what JF is saying, although feels that people in college who cannot get home at weekends due to ferry services etc. then it is not their fault.

JF feels that a rest day should not be spent in a dormitory and this is also applicable for probationers.

DC - should maybe work to working time regulations.

Neil - Would families be able to come down if cannot get home.

NS - If someone at SPC is on a rest day, then that should be a rest day.  Should be saying "these people live in Western Isles, and they should be allowed to leave for the last flight home and arrive late at the college on the Monday morning or if they do not want to do this then spend their rest period at Scottish Police College.

Pple shirt - Feels letter should be written to Human Resources to push this forward.

Compensation for Officers Recalled from Annual Leave

The Secretary reminded the Meeting of the recently circulated Scottish Executive Circular regarding compensation for officers recalled from annual leave.  The implementation date for this agreement is 4th April 2001 and the phrase 'one day's pay' means the number of hours the officer would normally have worked on that day.

DC - one live case claim has been submitted.  JF - refer them to Scottish Executive circular 7.

Allocation of Additional Public Holidays

The Secretary updated the Meeting on progress of the motion passed at Annual Conference regarding the allocation of "additional" public holidays when Christmas Day, 26th December or New Year's Day falls on a Saturday and Sunday.  The Scottish members of PNB considered the issue and agreed guidance which is contained in Circular No 102 / 2001.  The only issue yet to be resolved is the definition of 'festive period' and the Secretary advised the Meeting that he had indicated on behalf of the Board our preference for this to mean 'the local Christmas and New Year school holidays'.  This was also the preferred view of the JCC when the issue was discussed there and the General Secretary is to write to the Scottish Executive expressing this view.

Allocation of Additional Public Holiday 2002

The Secretary advised the Board that the Police Negotiating Board had approved an additional Public Holiday on 3rd June 2003 to mark Her Majesty the Queen's Golden Jubilee.

Disregard of First ½ Hour of Casual Overtime

The Secretary advised the Board that legal opinions had been obtained by the Police Federation of England and Wales and ACPO both of which indicated that the disregard of the first half hour of casual overtime was not legal.  The Board discussed the issue and unanimously agreed that the Secretary seek to have all officer compensated in full for any overtime worked which had been disregarded.

PNB Minutes

No minutes received since the last meeting.

PNB Circulars

01/11                PNB Annual Report to the Prime Minister for 2000/01

01/12 (ADV)      Pay of Federated Ranks

01/13 (ADV)      Pay for Officers of Superintending Rank

01/14 (ADV)      Pay for the Metropolitan Police Commissioner

01/15 (ADV)      Pay of chief Officer Ranks

01/16 (ADV)      PNB Agreement on New Rates of London Weighting, Dog Handlers Allowance, RUC Allowance and Temp Non-Pensionable Supplement for Inspectors and Chief Inspectors in the RUC.

01/17 (ADV)      Pay for Cadets

01/18 (ADV)      Agreement on Provision of an Additional Public Holiday for the Queen's Jubilee

01/19                Revised PNB Constitution

01/20                Police Arbitration Tribunal decision on claim for national regional allowance

01/21 (ADV)      PNB Agreement on allowance for officers in Hertfordshire, Kent and Surrey

 

Legislation

The Human Rights Act 1998 - CPOS Impact Analysis.

Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2000:

Amendments to the Sex Offenders Act 1997.

Consultation

The following consultation documents have been received:

Review of Common Police Services

Justice 2 Committee of the Scottish Parliament - Inquiry into the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service

Criminal Justice - Accommodation Services

Police Act 1997, Part V: Consultation on Regulations and Code of Practice

Review of Part 1 of the Sex Offenders Act 1997

Discussion Paper on Age of Criminal Responsibility

Review of Liquor Licensing Law in Scotland

Enforcement of Vehicle Emissions Standards by Local Authorities to Help Improve Local Air quality

 

POLICE REMOVALS

 

The delays experienced by officers in respect of legitimate claims connected with their relocation has not yet improved and the Secretary advised the Meeting that it was his intention to raise this issue with the new Chief Constable Mr Latimer at a meeting with him on 24th September.

 

RELOCATION SERVICE

 

The Assistant Secretary advised the Board that the proposal for the provision of this service had now progressed successfully through the Force meeting cycle and that he understood that tenders would now be sought for the provision of the service.

 

7.         FORCE PERSONNEL POLICIES

 

The Secretary stated that he would be discussing the matter of Leadership Training with the new Chief Constable.

 

At a recent meeting with the Temporary Chief Constable and Temporary Deputy Chief Constable the Assistant Secretary sought clarification on whether there was or was not a moratorium in place in relation to transfer due to the number of advertised vacancies appearing in Force Information Bulletins.

 

a.         Auditing of Policies

 

The Secretary advised the Meeting that a response to his letter to the Chief Constable on 14th December 2000 was received on 17th July 2001 with the Chief Constable advising that "the only useful response I can make is to note its contents".

 

The Board discussed this response and

 

Despite 'faxing a further copy of the letter which concluded with the sentence "I trust that, in addition to our already frequently tendered support for the positive aspects of the Force's philosophy, you will welcome, and respond positively to constructive criticism" on 2nd April, the Secretary reported that the letter on "Auditing Process" sent to the Chief Constable on 14th December remains unanswered.

 

b.         Force Welfare Officer

The Force intends to advertise a permanent position of Force Welfare Advisor during this month.  The Head of Human Resources circulated a draft job description for the post seeking comments and the Assistant Secretary provided a detailed response principally regarding concerns over the reporting mechanism for the post.  Chief Superintendent McGhee has also advised that the Staff Associations will be involved in the recruitment of this post holder.

 

The Meeting discussed the post and

 

c.         Communication Officers Receive on Retirement

 

The Secretary discussed the issue with the Head of Human Resources who confirmed that only officers meeting with Mr Robertson would receive a retiral presentation.

 

The meeting discussed this practice and agreed

 

 

d.         Recruitment

 

The review on recruitment is still ongoing with the Assistant Secretary advised the Meeting that he was hopeful from discussions to date that improvements to the procedure would bring about more of a 'succession-planning' approach to recruitment as opposed to plugging existing gaps as in the past.  He also advised the Meeting that following a recent advertising campaign there does appear to be an improved rate of applications returned.  Over the last 6 months 629 application forms have been sent out with 134 completed and returned which is approximately 21%.

 

e.         Grievance Procedure

 

The Vice Chairman wrote to the Head of Human Resources prior to the Boards' last Meeting seeking clarification of figures provided to HMI for their recent report.  The reply provides a detailed breakdown of all grievances recorded by Human Resources during year 2000 and clearly indicates that information relating to all grievances raised is not being passed to Human Resources as per the procedure.

 

The Meeting

 

f.          Stress

 

The Secretary discussed issues relating to stress with Chief Superintendent McGhee at a recent meeting with him.  Chief Superintendent McGhee has advised that he has tasked the Human Resources Department with securing a provider for Critical Incident Debriefing as a matter of urgency. He also advised that through the review of Sickness Absence Management he hoped to bring about more speedy resolutions to health related issues, including ill health retirals.

                                   

RETAIN

 

Stress Risk Assessment

 

The Secretary reported that he had been asked to provide comments for inclusion in the revised Force Reference Document S8 - Stress Management.  The Secretary advised the Meeting that he had responded indicating that a full Risk Assessment of Stress should always be carried out.  The Meeting fully endorsed this response.

 

Letter to Chief Constable - Stress

 

The Secretary advised the Meeting that he had written to the Chief Constable following the last Board meeting expressing the Boards' concern regarding his comments in relation to stress.  In his reply Mr Robertson advises that "Your comments are noted".

 

8.         HEALTH AND SAFETY

 

"Day on the Beat with the Police"

 

Prior to the last Board meeting the Secretary wrote to the Chief Constable requesting sight of any risk assessment prepared in relation to the charity prize a "Day on the Beat with the Police".

 

A reply has now been received from Chief Superintendent McGhee indicating that no assessment was prepared and advising that he will ensure that a suitable risk assessment is undertaken prior to any similar activities.

a.         Inspections

A further round of inspections has now been carried out throughout most Areas of the Force.

 

The Meeting discussed the findings from these inspections and

 

b.         Castle of Mey

 

 

 

 

c.         Organisation

 

The Secretary advised the Meeting that there were to be two further Health and Safety Representatives Training Courses run in early 2002.

 

The Assistant Secretary reported that discussion on extending this Course by a further day had taken place at the recent JCC Meeting.  This was in order to have an examination at the end of the course, which will be accredited by NEBOSH.

 

The Board discussed this proposal and

 

 

d.         Consultation

 

The Secretary advised that the Meeting that the Deputy General Secretary had written seeking the assistance of all trained Safety Representatives in completed and returning a feedback form.  Copies of the form were distributed to all trained representatives who were encouraged to complete and return them, as this was the basis on which future course content is informed.

 

e.         Minimum Safe Staffing Levels (MSSL)

 

A paper entitled 'Resource Availability and Allocation' prepared by Inspector Donald Buntain, was debated at the recent Management Service Group.  The paper sets out a number of criteria, including Minimum Safe Staffing Levels, was approved by the Meeting.

 

The Board discussed this issue at length and considered that it was the single most important issue affecting the Force at this time.  The Board have strived for 10 months to have safe staffing levels approved and implemented throughout the Force.  There was widespread disappointment that, despite an assurance by the Head of Operations that figures for each station in the Force would be made available for this meeting, no such information had been received.

 

The meeting agreed

 

 

f.          Revision of Force Generic Risk Assessments

 

The Assistant Secretary and the Health and Safety Advisor have completed a review of the Force's Generic Risk Assessments, however some of the specific assessments have been referred to the appropriate specialist department for comment.

 

It is hoped that a revised copy of these assessments will be prepared and circulated shortly incorporating these comments.

 

 

g.         The Installation of Audible Warning Instruments to all Police Vehicles

 

The recent meeting of the Management Service Group agreed that audible warning instruments be fitted to all marked police vehicles.

 

h.         Police Operations - Oil Rigs - Risk Assessments

 

As agreed at the last Board meeting the Secretary raised this issue with the Head of Operations, Chief Superintendent McGhee who has instructed the Health and Safety Advisor to compile a risk assessment "as a matter of urgency".

 

i.          Officer Safety Equipment

 

The Assistant Secretary advised the Meeting that the working group on officer safety equipment continues to meet at regular intervals.  Any officer experiencing problems with any aspect of the officer safety equipment should identify these to their Representative who will ensure this Group consider the issue in ongoing discussions on improvement.

 

The Assistant Secretary advised the Meeting that he had recently had contact from an officer who was seeking the provision of garment to be worn under the uniform because of the perspirations caused by the wearing of the protective body armour.

 

The Meeting discussed this and

 

 

k.         Working Time Regulations

 

The Health, Safety and Welfare Unit is currently carrying out a Force-wide audit of the recording and monitoring of working time.  The Meeting tasked the secretary with writing seeking early sight f the results of this audit.

 

The provision of an IT based system was again discussed with the meeting agreeing this would be the best means of ensuring compliance with these Regulations.

RETAIN

9.         REVIEW OF SICKNESS MANAGEMENT

 

The Review is now complete and a redrafted force reference document will be presented for discussion at the next Hyman Resources Practitioner Group.

 

 

RETAIN

 

 

 

10.       ANNUAL CONFERENCE

 

            The Secretary advised the Meeting that, notwithstanding the unanimous endorsement of conference motions presented by the Board at Annual Conference, the Joint Central Committee and decided not to progress some of the decisions made by the Conference.

 

The meeting

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11.       PERSONAL INJURY COMPENSATION

 

The Secretary advised that he had written the Clerk to the Police Board seeking to have the Board utilise the provisions of PNB Circular 94 / 11 covering "Personal Injury Compensation".  A reply has been received from the Clerk's office indicating that the "Board's Insurance Manager has been asked to consider the provisions" following which they will revert.

 

12.       FEDERATION TRAINING

 

The Secretary advised the Meeting that it was intended to run 2 Basic Training Courses this year with 2 Health and Safety and 2 Equality and Fairness courses early next year.  The Secretary will advise the Deputy General Secretary of the Boards requirements in respect of this training.

 

11.       NEW BUSINESS

 

            Renewal of Federation Insurance Schemes

 

The Meeting was joined by Gordon Carmichael, the Boards' Insurance Broker who gave a presentation on proposals for the renewal of all the schemes administered by the Board.

 

12.       SECRETARY'S CORRESPONDENCE